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Episode 61. Holy Living in Secular Settings w/ Isaac Wicker
Episode 61. Holy Living in Secular Settings w/ Isaac Wicker
"As you sent me into the world, so I sent them into the world.”
~ John 17:18
How do I share the gospel when others aren't open to it?
Can I be an authentic Christian if my job doesn't allow me to express it openly?
How do I love people who are hostile toward my faith?
Our world is fallen and broken, and in many ways it seems to be growing more opposed to the Christian life. Pat is joined by licensed therapist Isaac Wicker for a profound conversation about this struggle. Whether you're in school, at work, or with friends & family, we all find ourselves in a position of witnessing our faith to those who don't seem to be open to it. They might even be openly hostile toward the faith. But the call of Jesus is not to return vitriol with vitriol or to run away from the world, but rather to engage others with love and a willingness to preach the gospel at all times, with words and actions.
Isaac Wicker is a Catholic therapist, speaker, and content creator with a decade of mental health experience. Outside of his therapy work, he founded and runs two online Catholic programs for integrating faith and mental health: Whole Human Challenge, a 7-week Catholic challenge to uproot anxiety and enliven faith; and KNOWN: Embraced by the Heart of the Father, a 12-week online Catholic journey to heal wounded relationships with God the Father. You can follow his instagram @knownbythefather and find him on YouTube @wholehumanpsychology. Isaac lives in Minnesota with his wife and three children.
Show Notes
The heart of evangelization: This is a Person, not a Project
“Suppose we heard an unknown man spoken of by many men. Suppose we were puzzled to hear that some men said he was too tall and some too short; some objected to his fatness, some lamented his leanness; some thought him too dark, and some too fair. One explanation (as has been already admitted) would be that he might be an odd shape. But there is another explanation. He might be the right shape. Outrageously tall men might feel him to be short. Very short men might feel him to be tall. Old bucks who are growing stout might consider him insufficiently filled out; old beaux who were growing thin might feel that he expanded beyond the narrow lines of elegance. … Perhaps, after all, it is Christianity that is sane and all its critics that are mad…”
G.K. Chesterton, Orthodoxy
“If you have people, clients coming to therapy confused about who they are, and then you have a clinician who's also confused about what a person is, but they feel confident about their confusion, that that actually can lead to a lot of destruction.”
“This is actually the strongest thing, and, like, we can all fight against it if we want, and it's gonna be there. And so I don't need to defend it anxiously. And so being out in the world, anybody can say whatever they want about the Catholic faith and I don't need to defend it anxiously. Like, nothing that they say or do against the Catholic faith will destroy it.”
I need to defend the faith, but the faith doesn’t need me to defend it. The Church is not a weak, fragile thing - it fights for itself and will never be destroyed. We can be free of any fear about the “downfall” of the Church.
“And so I say to you, you are Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church, and the gates of the netherworld shall not prevail against it.”
Matthew 16:18
Check out Isaac & Dr. Breuninger’s course, Known
Isaac Wicker & Dr. Matthew Breuninger on Pints With Aquinas with Matt Fradd
Challenge By Choice
Find the good desire behind someone’s flawed beliefs or actions
What is the good desire that they are pursuing in an unhealthy or untrue way?
How can you affirm the desire while challenging the belief or action?
How can you have empathy for your own good desires that you live out in unhelpful ways?
Reflection Questions
For personal reflection or group discussion
What is one specific thing that stuck with you from this conversation?
What secular environments do you live or work in? What challenges and opportunities do you find there?
When has someone helped you know God's love when you felt unlovable? When have you shown God's love to another?
What is the value of acknowledging someone's good desires, even if they're being lived out in unhealthy or sinful ways?
Who is one person who you have a hard time loving, but needs the love of God through your witness?